From Mr Wanstall
Collected by Francis Collinson, Aldington, November 1942
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/1/19
From Mr Wanstall
Collected by Francis Collinson, Aldington, November 1942
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/1/19
From Mr Wanstall
Collected by Francis Collinson, Aldington, 1942
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/4/22
Francis Collinson noted three songs from a Mr Wanstall at Aldington in 1942. Based on the 1939 Register, there were several men with the surname Wanstall living in Aldington at that time, and it is not possible to identify Collinson’s singer with any degree of certainty. Biographies of the most likely candidates are given below.
Fred Wanstall (and he does seem consistently to be Fred rather than Frederick) was born on 12th October 1864, and baptised on 11th December at St Martin’s, Aldington. His father John worked as a sawyer; his mother’s name was given as Marianne, although census records have her as Mary Ann, née Earl.
In 1871 and 1881 the family were living at Aldington Frith. Fred was one of eleven children. In 1871 John Wanstall’s occupation was given as “Lab and sawyer”, while his wife Mary Ann and 13 year old son John were both listed as “Carrier”. In 1881 John was shown as “Agr lab & carrier”, and no occupation was given for his wife. Fred was “Agr lab son”.
John died in 1886, so in the 1891 census Mary Ann was head of the household, her occupation now “Carrier & grazier”. The family was living at Stone Street Green, Aldington. Fred, 26, was one of four children still at home. He was also working as a carrier; two of his sisters were working as dressmakers.
Towards the end of 1893 Fred married Lydia Caryer in Aldington Church. At the time of the 1901 census they were living at Handen Farm, Aldington. Fred was now described as a Farmer & grazier. He and Lydia had two children, and Thomas Howland, “Yardman on farm”, was living with them. Ten years later they were still at Handen Farm, they had another son, and Fred’s occupation is given as Carrier. In truth he was both farmer and carrier, as his obituary made clear:
Born at Aldington, he helped his mother run a carrier’s business at an early age and made regular trips to Ashford market with a horse and van. He later took over the business and continued it until 1923, when it was transferred to his son, Mr. Frank Wanstall, and became modernised.
Mr. Wanstall was also a farmer for over 40 years. From 1890 to 1919, he farmed Handen Farm, an outlying portion of the Brabourne estate and then went to Bank Farm until 1929 which is now run by his eldest son, Mr. J. Wanstall.1
Further detail is provided in the Kentish Express, 18th June 1987, in a report on a meeting of the Aldington local history society, where a Mr Crook had given a talk about Fred Wanstall:
He lived to be 89 and was a farmer in the village for 40 years. From 1903 — 1923 he was the carrier with a horse and cart. He plied from Hamden [sic] Farm and then from Bank Farm to Ashford on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday leaving about 10am and returning at about 8pm. He would take in goods and return with, among other items, groceries, casks of beers from Shepherd Neame in Bank Street, Ashford, and sweets and cigarettes from Mrs Nye’s sweet shop on Forge Hill. In 1932 he realised the days of the horse and cart were over and bought a small bus which was driven by Frank, one of his sons.2
As stated in his obituary, by the time of the 1921 census Fred and Lydia had moved to Bank Farm, Aldington. Also living with them were their sons John (22) and Frank (15), both of whom were listed as “Assisting Father In General Farm Work”. If he farmed for 40 years from 1890, that implies he retired around 1930; certainly by September 1939 he and Lydia were living at The Gables, Aldington, and Fred is listed as “Retired Overseer”. In fact, local newspaper reports on the marriage of his sons allow us to date the move to The Gables as at some point between April and October 1929. In April 1929, on the occasion of Frank Wanstall’s marriage to Lilian Nutley, the bridegroom is described as “one of Aldington’s popular young men, being conductor of the Al Freyle Dance Orchestra and a good cricketer. For some years he has managed his father’s business as a general carrier (known as Wanstall’s Service) between Ashford and Aldington”3. Then in October of the same year his brother John married Dorothy Uden; the newspaper refers to “Mr. and Mrs. Fred Wanstall, of The Gables, Aldington, and late of Bank Farm”4.
Fred’s wife Lydia died in May 1943, and he passed away on 23rd January 1954 “after a long illness patiently borne”5. His obituary stated that “He was in his 90th year, and was the last of four well-known brothers”, continuing
He knew every yard of the district and could trace his ancestors back to smuggling days. He was also a Parish Councillor for many years a school manager, a bell-ringer until five years ago, and member of the Bellringers’ Guild. He had a fine bass voice and sang in the church choir and in many concerts and oratorios in other villages.
FAVOURITE HYMN
At the funeral on Wednesday at Aldington Church where he was once a sidesman the congregation joined in singing one verse of the hymn “Forty days and forty nights.” On the day before he died, Mr. Wanstall had sung the last verse of this favourite hymn. The organist was a Bonnington farmer Mr. Eyton Boulden.6
Eyton Boulden was also the organist on Good Friday 1931 when Mr. F. Wanstall (bass) was mentioned as having taken part in a performance of “In the Desert and in the Garden” by the Choral Society in Aldington parish church.7 Fred Wanstall would also have been very familiar with Harry Barling, as George Frampton has identified him as a member of Aldington Brass Band, playing the flute.8 Being known to two other men from whom Francis Collinson noted songs does not necessarily mean that Collinson also collected songs from Fred Wanstall but, combined with the fact that we know he was musical, and clearly well known in the village, does make this very plausible.
1930s editions of the Folkestone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald frequently mention darts matches at the Walnut Tree in Aldington, which were followed by a smoking concert. For instance a report on the match between Aldington and Dymchurch in October 1933, states that
There was a big gathering afterwards, when the room was packed for a smoking concert. Mr. Arthur Francis (capt.) presided and the artistes were Messrs. George Finn, A. Harris, A. Higgins, F. Fifield, D. S. Wild, J. Paton. J. Hyder, E. Wanstall, A. H. Heap, A.T.C.L. (pianist), and J. R. Anderson.9
Some of these men, including E. Wanstall, had also provided the entertainment at the annual share-out of the AIdington Slate Club in December the previous year.10 Meanwhile, a brief report on a Whist Drive at Aldington names Mr E.J. Wanstall as the MC.11
The gentleman at the Whist Drive would have been Ernest John Wanstall, the son of John Wanstall, Fred’s older brother. He was born on 12th September 1886 and baptised on the 1st November. His mother Lucy, whose maiden name was Boulden, was the younger sister of Eyton Boulden’s father David. In 1891 the family lived at Hurst Cottages, Forge Hill, Aldington. John worked as a General labourer; Ernest was the second youngest of five children (two more would arrive in subsequent years).
The 1901 census found them at Church Street, Aldington. Ernest, now fourteen years old, was working as an Assistant shepherd. 10 years later, residing in the family home at Church Hill, he was “Shepherd and cattleman on farm”. By 1921, still at Church Hill, Ernest was now “Farmer – Own Account”.
He married Margaret Howland in April 1930, and the 1939 Register shows them living at Goldwell Farm, Aldington. Ernest’s occupation is given as “Farmer General”. He died in the first quarter of 1965.
Of course, there is no reason to assume that the E. Wanstall who regularly sang at darts match smoking concerts was the same person as the E.J. Wanstall who chaired the Whist Drive meeting. The singer could well be Edward Wanstall, whose life span corresponded almost exactly with that of Ernest, but who appears to have belonged to an entirely different branch of the family. His father George William Wanstall came originally from Nonington, his mother Jane née Daniels was from Stelling. They married in 1880, and by the time of the 1881 census were living in Aldington. George was at that time a Journeyman blacksmith, living in a cottage – probably next door to the Forge itself, and just down the hill from the Walnut Tree.
Edward was born on 20th September 1886, the fourth of, eventually, seven children. Although the family lived in Aldington, he was baptised at nearby Bonnington, in the church of St Rumbold, on 1st November. By 1891 his father was shown in the census as Blacksmith. Their address is only given as Forge Hill, so it’s not made clear if they are now in the Forge House itself, but that was given as their address in 1901 and 1911. The two eldest sons, George and Charles, were working with their father in the forge. In 1911 Edward and his younger brother Herbert both have the occupation “Tar paver”.
Edward married Bessie Maud Cheeseman at St Stephen, Lympne with West Hythe, on 28th September 1914. By the time of the first post-war census they were living with a son and a daughter at Court-At-Street, between Aldington and Lympne. Edward was working as a Builder’s Labourer, employed by Hayward & Paramor of Folkestone.
In September 1939 he and Bessie were back in Aldington, living at 8 Goldwell Houses, on Roman Road, opposite the primary school – and just a few minutes’ walk from the Walnut Tree, where darts matches took place. His occupation was “Roadstone Quarrier”.
Having been born just over a week after Ernest Wanstall, Edward preceded him to the grave by a few months, dying in the second quarter of 1964.
From Mr Ring
Collected by Francis Collinson, Bethersden, November 1942
Francis Collinson Collection COL/1/17
Fred Ring was born on 1st September 1855 at Wissenden – between Bethersden and Smarden – and baptised at Bethersden on 2nd December. He was the eldest son of Thomas, an agricultural labourer, and Martha Maria, née Millen. In 1861 they lived at Farm House Cottage, Wissenden Grove. The 1871 census lists Fred as ‘Thomas’; he is working as a farm servant for Thomas Millen (presumably a relative of his mother), at Tearnden Farm, Bethersden.
In 1881 he was back in the parental home, Mudlark, Bethersden, and he’s listed as “Ag lab”. The following year he married Matilda Mary Williamson at Waltham Cross, on 2nd November 1882. The marriage record gives him the occupation “Farmer”, but in subsequent censuses he always appeared as “agricultural labourer”, “Farm Labourer (General)” or similar.
The 1891 census shows them living at Ashford Road, Bethersden; they have two sons and a daughter. In 1901 their address was specified as Coles Cottages, Ashford Road, and they have another daughter. Ten years later the family had moved to Maple Cottage, Bethersden, and would remain there for the next four decades. In 1921 Fred’s employer is given as J D Cameron, Gentleman Farmer.
In the 1939 Register he is listed as Thomas F Ring, and his birth year is erroneously given as 1885. Sophy Theobald, a widow, is living with Fred and his wife, and carrying out “Unpaid Domestic Duties”.
Fred died at the grand old age of 95, in 1951. His obituary in the Kentish Express, Friday 2nd March 1951, ran as follows:
AGED 95, Mr. Frederick Thomas Ring, of Maple-cotts, the home of Mr. and Mrs. F. Ring, died on Feb. 22 after a few days’ illness. Born at Wissenden, he had lived in the parish all his life. His wife died in 1946. Formerly he was a hop-drier for Mr. Jenner of Yalding, and later he worked for 25 years on the farm of the late Capt. Cameron, of Lowood. In his younger days he was a glee-singer and bellringer, and he sang in the church choir as a tenor.
Francis Collinson collected two songs from a Mr Ring, one of these being noted in November 1942. Now there were several men with the surname Ring living in Bethersden in September 1939, including Fred’s sons Walter and Frederick. However it seems most likely that Collinson’s singer was Fred, given that we know he had been involved in music-making in Bethersden.
A report on the annual Bethersden Hop Dryers’ Dinner in the Kentish Express, 23rd October 1909, gave the names of those who had “helped with the evening’s entertainment, giving songs, etc. :– Messrs. H. Elliott, W.F. Parker, F. Ring, Lovel Woodcock, G. Burden, Leslie Woodcock, L. Cole and L. Mannering; with Mr. Elliott (of Ashford) as accompanist”. In a sign of the times, “Selections were given by Mr. Beale on his powerful gramophone”.
In December 1913 Fred Ring was contributing to the entertainment at a meeting of the Mid Kent Hunt:
Some very good songs were rendered during the evening, those contributing to the enjoyment including Messrs. Ryan, Cornwallis, Heath, Parker, Ring and A. Farrance while a glee was given by Messrs. Ring and Buckman.1
The following week, Fred was again singing, at the “sixth annual dinner of the Royal Standard Slate Club”:
A most enjoyable evening was spent and some capital songs were sung by Messrs. Parker, Ring, Greenway, Kingsland, Kingsnorth, Brown, Dyke, and others; a trio was given by Messrs. Buckman, Batt and Ring; and a duet by Messrs. Buckman and Brown, accompanied by Miss Jeffrey (pianist), and Mr. Jeffrey (violin), of Biddenden.2
33 members of the Slate Club received a payout of £1 6s. 8d.
The event at the Royal Standard took place on Saturday 14th December, but Fred Ring, Horace Buckman and Jim Batt were also present at a similar event the following Wednesday, for the Bethersden Share-Out Club, at the Bull Hotel. On this occasion
Those who contributed to the harmony of the evening were Messrs. Parker, T. Venner, A. Woodcock, T. Ring, Batt, F. Wriaght, J. Woodcock, P. Murrell, A. Dunk, A.W. Buss, etc. Mr. W. Elliott ably accompanied.3
Members of this club each received £1 11s. 1d “the largest sum paid out since the Club has been running”.
Collected by Francis Collinson, Pembury, 26th March 1952
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/5/59B
Under the title ‘The Bold Boatswain of Dover’ this song was published on broadsides in the first half of the nineteenth century by, among others, the London printers J. Pitts and J. Catnach. A Catnach printing can be viewed in an Album of Broadside Ballads, Volume 5, held by the University of Kentucky.
Collected by Francis Collinson, Pembury, 26th March 1952
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/5/59A
Francis Collinson had the words of two songs from a Mr Sawkins of Pembury, on 26th March 1952. It has not so far been possible to identify this singer from the census records for Pembury. George Frampton found two photographs of a Will Sawkins in Pembury in the Past by Mary Standen (Meresborough Books 1984). One, undated, shows three farm workers, and is captioned “The three [hop] driers have a rest on the pocket they have just finished. They are Pat Brown, Arthur Clarke and Will Sawkins who worked at Beagles Farm”. The other shows an early 1950s Darby and Joan Club Christmas dinner at the Church Institute, with Mr and Mrs Sawkins identified as amongst those present. It’s hard to tell from the photograph, but it seems likely that Mr Sawkins was born in the 1880s, or perhaps a little earlier. However, there is no William Sawkins in the census records for Pembury, so this may be a case of someone universally known as Will, but that not actually being his official forename.
At the time of the 1939 Register there was a George Sawkings, born 1877 – so the right kind of age – living with his wife, son and daughter, at Batchelors Cottages, Pembury. He was born at Elmsted, and had worked as an agricultural labourer in East Kent; but his surname is consistently spelled as Sawkings, with a “g”.
From Bill Rolph
Collected by Francis Collinson, St. Nicholas at Wade, 19th May 1948
Francis Collinson Manuscript Collection COL/1/21
Proudly powered by WordPress | Theme: Baskerville 2 by Anders Noren.