Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/D)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/D)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/D)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/B)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/A)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A)
Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A)
Carpenter did not note any words for this song. A full set of words, including two verses collected from a Mr Prosser – quite possibly William Prosser – appears in A book of shanties by Cicely Fox Smith, (Boston : Houghton Mifflin, 1927). Fox Smith wrote:
This collection may fitly conclude with an example of the sort of sea song—as distinct from the shanty—the sailorman really liked in his hours of leisure. The kind of thing that passes muster with the average landsman he had no use for, however irreproachable its music might be, however admirable its words from a literary standpoint. As a rule, indeed, the sailor did not sing sea songs : naturally enough, since he got enough of that element in his daily life to like a change now and again. His taste usually ran in the sentimental direction : “Her bright smile haunts me still,” for example, was a great favourite with forecastle vocalists.
When he did sing a sea song, it had, above everything else, to be correct—its seamanship like Caesar’s wife, its use of technical terms beyond cavil. Cunningham’s “A wet sheet and a flowing sea” is ruled out with many seamen because, though it is quite possible that Cunningham used the word “sheet” in its right sense, there is at least a doubt about it. “The Stately Southerner” meets the most critical requirements in this respect, and it is also a jolly good rousing ballad and goes to a stirring tune. It may seem curious that British forecastles should have been so partial to a song which celebrates an exploit of that picturesque renegade, John Paul Jones: probably, if the truth were known, nine times out of ten neither singer nor audience either knew or cared what the song was really about. If they thought about it at all, it is quite likely that (at any rate after the American Civil War) they imagined what the title, “The Stately Southerner,” seems to suggest, that the episode belonged to the struggle between North and South, with the latter of whom seafaring sympathy was very strong.
Mr. Prosser, who sang the song for me, could only recall the words of the first two verses, so I have completed it from other sources. It appears without the music in the late Mr. J. E. Patterson’s “Sea Anthology,” and, with the music, in Miss Joanna Colcord’s American collection.
Fox Smith’s notation of the tune is different from Carpenter’s – most notably it is in 4/4, not 6/8 – but this could simply be a difference in interpretation, and it is not impossible that both were collected from the same singer.
See https://archive.org/details/uclamusic_9930756443606533/uclamusic_9930756443606533_090.jpg and following pages.
Here’s a recording of a presentation I gave recently at the July meeting of the Traditional Song Forum, Cecil Sharp in Kent.
This covers all of the collecting carried out by Cecil Sharp in the county
but with a particular focus on his collecting in the Hamstreet area.
As a postscript, I look at the version of ‘Polly Vaughan’ (Roud 166) which he didn’t actually collect in Kent, but which had been learned from an old man at Homestall near Doddington.
From Harry Johnson
Recorded by James Madison Carpenter, The Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928
James Madison Carpenter Collection: Disc Recordings (JMC/1/11/77, JMC/1/11/78)
Carpenter’s recordings can be heard via the VWML Archive Catalogue:
Born near Booneville, Mississippi, in 1920 Carpenter enrolled at Harvard to begin a PhD in English, and it was here that he developed an interest in folk song. One of the professors in the English department was literary scholar and folklorist George Lyman Kittredge. While Kittredge’s ballad research was entirely library-based, he encouraged his graduate students to go out into the field and undertake collecting work – John Lomax had been another of his protegés. Kittredge acted as supervisor for Carpenter’s thesis, ‘Forecastle Songs and Chanties’, which earned him his doctorate in 1929. This was based in part on fieldwork conducted by Carpenter among retired sailors in North America, and on a four-month trip to the British Isles over the summer of 1928.
This 1928 trip included visits to the Royal Alfred retired seamen’s home in Belvedere – Carpenter referred to this as “The Royal Alfred, Belvedere, London”, but it was actually still part of Kent at this time (until 1965, in fact). Here he collected more than 2 dozen songs, mostly shanties, from Roderick Enderson, William ‘Paddy’ Gaul, Harry Johnson, William Prosser, a Mr. Hill, and one singer identified only as ‘The Bo’sun’.
Whereas most previous collectors had simply noted down song words and tunes on paper, Carpenter used a Dictaphone, run from a 6 volt battery, to record his singers. The Dictaphone had come out of work carried on at the laboratory set up in Washington DC by Alexander Graham Bell; it was patented by the Columbia Gramophone Company in 1907. Of course, magnetic tape had not been invented at this stage, and up until 1947 Dictaphones continued to make recordings onto wax cylinders. Carpenter’s practice was generally to make a sound recording of just a few verses of each song. He would then get the singer to recite the song words, two lines at a time, while he typed them up on a portable typewriter. The wax cylinder would then later be used to make a musical notation of the tune. Sadly – and to his subsequent regret – once he had transcribed the song, he shaved most of the cylinders from this first trip to Britain, so that the cylinders could be reused. As a result, only five audio recordings of the Belvedere singers survive.
With Kittredge’s support, Carpenter returned to Britain in 1929, and over the next six years he amassed an invaluable collection of folk song and other material. As Julia Bishop points out, Carpenter’s return visit to Britain in 1929 coincided with Maud Karpeles travelling to Newfoundland hoping to collect songs of English origin:
At the time of Karpeles’s trip, there was little active folksong collecting being carried out any longer in England or Scotland, and indeed the prevailing view in the English Folk-Song Society was that traditional singing had more or less died out. Carpenter was one of the few folksong collectors active in this country at the time, therefore, and the results of his efforts were astounding. He collected around two thousand songs and ballads, including bothy ballads, sea shanties and carols, fiddle tunes, children’s singing games, and three hundred mummers’ plays. Furthermore, not only did Carpenter record singers from whom such luminaries as Cecil Sharp and Gavin Greig had previously collected, but he also encountered a large number of prolific singers never before recorded. It is thus no exaggeration to say that in terms of quantity, quality and chronology Carpenter’s is one of the largest and most important collections of folk song and folk drama made in Britain this century. Yet the collection was never published, and its creator remained virtually unknown until, in 1972, Carpenter was traced by Alan Jabbour of the Archive of Folk Song at the Library of Congress and the collection purchased.1
The Carpenter collection has now been digitised, and can be accessed via the VWML Archive Catalogue, at https://archives.vwml.org/records/JMC.
Born in New Jersey, his parents Bill and Lou were Londoners and the family returned to the UK in 1931. Ten years later the engineering firm for whom his father worked moved to Keighley in West Yorkshire, and it was here that Bill spent his teens and early twenties. Inheriting his father’s left wing political outlook, in the 1950s Bill sang with the Workers’ Music Association in Bradford, and sold WMA records sent up from London. In 1955 he moved to London to work for Films of Poland, part of the Polish Cultural Institute:
It was part of the cultural exchange. If you let us have a cultural institute in London, so that our folks can come and spy on you, we’ll let you have a British Council in Warsaw, so your folks can come in and spy on us, in a gentlemanly sort of way.1
Having volunteered for the Workers’ Music Association, towards the end of 1956 Bill was appointed to a new post: production manager for Topic Records. Topic had begun life as the Topic Record Club, where WMA members would receive a monthly 78rpm disc through the post – these included music recordings of ‘The Internationale’, satirical songs (often from Unity Theatre productions) such as Paddy Ryan’s ‘The Man Who Put The Water In The Workers’ Beer’, Soviet songs performed by Russian choirs and balalaika ensembles, and both Russian and British folk songs performed by The Topic Singers. Resuming operations after the war, the WMA / Topic output featured compositions by Shostakovich, numerous recordings of choirs from Eastern Europe and China, several discs of songs performed by Paul Robeson and, from 1953 onwards, performers from the post-war British folk revival, notably Ewan MacColl. Bill Leader’s first assignment as a recording engineer was to record the singer A.L. (Bert) Lloyd, and the concertina player Alf Edwards. From the late 1950s to the early 1970s Bill was responsible for recording a great number of 10 inch and 7 inch records – and eventually 12 inch LPs – for Topic Records. Early recordings featured leading artists of the time, such as Ewan MacColl, Dominic Behan, A.L. Lloyd, Louis Killen and the Ian Campbell Folk Group. At the same time Bill Leader was recording engineer on some of the first releases on Nat Joseph’s Transatlantic label, including the LPs Songs Of Love, Lust And Loose Living and Putting Out The Dustbin, both of which featured Stephen Sedley as a performer and/or arranger.
He was actually only a paid employee of Topic for a few years, as the company discovered that they could not afford to pay both Gerry Sharp, the general secretary, and Bill Leader. So Leader took a job at Collett’s record shop (a massively important part of the contemporary folk and blues scene, both as a source of records, and a meeting place for those involved in the scene), but carried on working as a sound engineer for Topic and Transatlantic on a casual, voluntary basis. This does not appear to have diminished the number of recording projects on which he worked, nor the importance of some of the records with which his name is linked. Not that these recordings were necessarily made in sophisticated surroundings – for instance The Watersons’ hugely influential Topic LP Frost And Fire was, like numerous others at this period, recorded in Bill Leader’s bedroom, while John Renbourn’s recollections of early recordings for Transatlantic had Bill “coming over to a pad I shared with Bert Jansch, setting up the tape machine in the sink and having us play in the broom cupboard”.2
He also went out with portable (or at least, transportable) recording equipment to make field recordings. These included the songs issued by Topic as The Roving Journeymen (12T84, 1962), featuring recordings of traveller Tom Willett and his sons Chris and Ben. The songs were recorded by Bill Leader and Paul Carter at Tom Willett’s home on a caravan site near Ashford, Middlesex in 1962.
In 1966 he helped the prolific collector Mike Yates make his first recordings of an English traditional singer:
Bill Leader, Topic’s recording engineer (and a man who taught me a lot about recording techniques), collected Fred en-route to my parent’s pub in Altringham. We recorded the album -‘Songs of a Shropshire Farm Worker’, Topic 12T150 – in my bedroom over a couple of days.3
In 1969 Bill set up his own record company, and over the coming decade he released many records which have come to be recognised as classics. The Trailer label featured some of the cream of the 1970s folk revival – John Kirkpatrick, Nic Jones, Dick Gaughan, Mike and Lal Waterson, Christy Moore and Swan Arcade, to name just a few. The Leader label, meanwhile was dedicated to recordings of traditional singers and musicians. Many of these recordings were made by Bill himself. For instance: the first two LPs by Norfolk singer Walter Pardon; A Song for Every Season, the 4 disc box set presenting the songs of the Copper family of Rottingdean in Sussex; and an LP by London Irish fiddle player Martin Byrnes, which was recorded by Bill at Reg Hall’s mum’s house in Croydon. Leader also put out LPs of other collectors’ recordings – for example, A People’s Carol, featuring Ian Russell’s recordings of carol singing in South Yorkshire pubs, and Percy Grainger’s 1908 phonograph recordings of Lincolnshire singers on the LP Unto Brigg Fair. Sadly, Bill Leader sold the labels to a company which then ran into financial difficulties and sold the business on once more. The result being that these classic LPs have been unavailable since the early 1980s; inexplicably none has ever been properly released on CD by the current owners.
Bill Leader’s life and times (and those of contemporaries with whom he came into contact) are being documented in fascinating detail by Mike Butler, in a projected 10-volume biography, Sounding the Century4. Of the volumes so far published, Volume 3 The Poor Man’s Only Music has proved particularly useful when writing articles for the Kent Trad website, covering as it does the activities of folk song collectors such as Reg Hall, Peter Kennedy and Paul Carter, and the background to the recording of LPs by the Willet family and Phoebe Smith.
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