Lord Randal

Douglas Tobin

Collected by S. Elizabeth Bird

‘Lord Randal’ in Kent: The Meaning and Context of a Ballad Variant, Folklore, Vol. 96, No. 2 (1985), pp. 248-252, https://www.jstor.org/stable/1259648

Roud 10, Child 12

“When performing the song, the informant usually stresses the third line of each stanza  heavily and melodramatically, until the final stanza, which takes on a slightly maudlin  tone”.

S. Elizabeth Bird had this from her father-in-law, Douglas Tobin. She noted that “I have heard him sing the song often”. A version of the classic Child Ballad ‘Lord Randal’, it is closely related to the variant usually known as ‘Henry, my son’ – although the name Henry is not used here. This version is also unusual in identifying gypsies as the poisoners – usually the main character has been poisoned by a relative, normally his father, or a sister.

My informant recalls that he first heard the song as a small child, remembering that his older sister sang it often, with the same emphases. His 32-year-old son recalls his aunt using the threat, ‘I’ll sell you to the gypsies,’ when he and his brothers misbehaved as children. Furthermore, the informant remembers that in his community, gypsies were more than a fearful symbol, but were a very real presence, at least for part of the year. Born in 1922, he spent his childhood in Ramsgate, Kent, a hop-growing county that every summer attracted large numbers of itinerant hop pickers, including many gypsies. Gypsies would often visit houses to tell fortunes, sell clothes-pegs and other items, and the informant remembers ‘one woman in particular, or maybe it’s just a picture of a gypsy woman type – dark, dressed in unusual, bright scarves and big earrings.’ The children were warned to stay away from the gypsies, who ‘stole children’ and ‘were dirty.’ In thinking about the song, the informant said that ‘it certainly seemed to be part of that general thing; you had to be wary of gypsies.’ He added that although his sister sang the song jauntily, she would ‘try to scare us with the snakes and gypsies bits.’

The informant’s sister does not recall any role in initiating the change of the central evil character in the song; in fact she does not recall where she learned it herself. So it cannot be known when the addition of the gypsies motif took place.

Douglas Tobin had two sisters, both several years older than him – Marjorie (born 1909) and Eileen (born 1912).

‘Henry, my son’ has been collected in both England and Ireland. When the Irish singer Frank Harte recorded the song on his 1967 Topic LP Dublin Street Songs the album notes stated that “This inelegant version, now first recorded, is still popular among Dublin schoolchildren”. Given that Douglas Tobin’s father John was born in County Galway, it is possible that his version had an Irish origin. However the song was known elsewhere in East Kent in the same period: George Spicer learned his version while working in the Dover area, 1928-1935, from Tommy Goodban at The Wheatsheaf at Martin.

The Irish Lass

From Ike Harvey

Transcribed by David Harvey from a handwritten note in pencil by Ike Harvey.

George Frampton, “I don’t know if this is actually a folk song”: The Life and Music of George Spicer (1906-1981), Part 2: The West Langdon Years, 1928-35, Musical Traditions, 2012, https://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/g_spice2.htm

Roud 44890

“I have copied this as to spelling and punctuation, more or less as Ike wrote it” – David Harvey.

Steve Gardham has identified this as a version of ‘Paddy Casey’, which appeared in various broadside printings in the 1870s.
See for example the version published by the Poet’s Box (Glasgow), 30th December 1876, at https://archives.vwml.org/songs/RoudBS/B240979

A sailor coming home on leave

From “an old seaman”

Collected by Derek Sarjeant in a Chatham pub

Sing 7:4 (Jan/Feb 1963) p.44

Roud 60

When printed in Sing, the accompanying note said “Collected by Derek Sarjeant in a Chatham pub, the tune is surely one of the most persistent found in oral tradition. And so is much of the lyric too”.

Derek Serjeant recorded this song on his Man of Kent EP (Oak, 1963), where the liner notes say “Derek collected this song from an old seaman in one of the Medway Towns”.

Blow the Man Down

Harry Johnson

Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928 

James Madison Carpenter Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A, JMC/1/1/4/A)

Roud 2624, Roud 13026

There are surviving cylinder recordings of the shanty, which can be heard via the VWML Archive Catalogue:

  1. Disc Side 076
    JMC/1/11/76
    https://www.vwml.org/record/VWMLSongIndex/SN17665  
    (starts at 04:47)

    JMC/1/11/77
    https://archives.vwml.org/songs/VWMLSongIndex/SN17664
    (continuation)

The two recordings are in different keys, but in other respects appear to be the same.

None of the recordings includes the Humpty Dumpty verses transcribed by Carpenter. The words are also completely different to those which Carpenter noted from “The Bo’sn” – see ‘Blow The Man Down‘.

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