Stately Southerner

William Prosser

Collected by James Madison Carpenter, Royal Alfred, Belvedere, 1928 

James Madison Carpenter MSS Collection (JMC/1/5/4/A)

Roud 625

Carpenter did not note any words for this song. A full set of words, including two verses collected from a Mr Prosser – quite possibly William Prosser – appears in A book of shanties by Cicely Fox Smith, (Boston : Houghton Mifflin, 1927). Fox Smith wrote:

This collection may fitly conclude with an example of the sort of sea song—as distinct from the shanty—the sailorman really liked in his hours of leisure. The kind of thing that passes muster with the average landsman he had no use for, however irreproachable its music might be, however admirable its words from a literary standpoint. As a rule, indeed, the sailor did not sing sea songs : naturally enough, since he got enough of that element in his daily life to like a change now and again. His taste usually ran in the sentimental direction : “Her bright smile haunts me still,” for example, was a great favourite with forecastle vocalists.

When he did sing a sea song, it had, above everything else, to be correct—its seamanship like Caesar’s wife, its use of technical terms beyond cavil. Cunningham’s “A wet sheet and a flowing sea” is ruled out with many seamen because, though it is quite possible that Cunningham used the word “sheet” in its right sense, there is at least a doubt about it. “The Stately Southerner” meets the most critical requirements in this respect, and it is also a jolly good rousing ballad and goes to a stirring tune. It may seem curious that British forecastles should have been so partial to a song which celebrates an exploit of that picturesque renegade, John Paul Jones: probably, if the truth were known, nine times out of ten neither singer nor audience either knew or cared what the song was really about. If they thought about it at all, it is quite likely that (at any rate after the American Civil War) they imagined what the title, “The Stately Southerner,” seems to suggest, that the episode belonged to the struggle between North and South, with the latter of whom seafaring sympathy was very strong.

Mr. Prosser, who sang the song for me, could only recall the words of the first two verses, so I have completed it from other sources. It appears without the music in the late Mr. J. E. Patterson’s “Sea Anthology,” and, with the music, in Miss Joanna Colcord’s American collection.

Fox Smith’s notation of the tune is different from Carpenter’s – most notably it is in 4/4, not 6/8 – but this could simply be a difference in interpretation, and it is not impossible that both were collected from the same singer.

See https://archive.org/details/uclamusic_9930756443606533/uclamusic_9930756443606533_090.jpg and following pages.

A comical ditty (Fol the rol lol, The Limerick Ditty)

From Albert Beale

Recorded by Peter Kennedy and Maud Karpeles, Kenardington, 14th January 1954

BBC recording 21156

Roud 9484

‘Fol-the-rol-lol’ was first published in 1902. Credited to Fred W. Leigh and Fred Murray, it was sung by George Lashwood (1863 – 1942), a popular English singer and comedian of the Edwardian era. For more information, see https://folksongandmusichall.com/index.php/fol-the-rol-lol/

Four jolly smiths

Sung by Robert Catt at Warehorne

“A very successful concert was given in the Warehorne board schools on Wednesday evening, the Rev. T. Mayhew presiding”.

Kentish Express, 26th January 1889

Roud V5558

‘Four jolly smiths’ began life as a poem by James Rockcliffe, and appeared in The Camp of the Hallamshires, and Other Poems, published in 1865 by Pawson and Brailsford, Sheffield. As a song, it was published as sheet music by Hutchings & Romer (undated, but the National Library of Australia suggests between 1877 and 1890) with the lyrics credited to J. Louis Rockliffe, and music by Henry T. Leslie. It was billed as “a right jovial song”, and “sung by Mr. Green”. The front cover of the sheet music can be viewed on the Victoria & Albert Museum website. A four-part harmony arrangement of the song was included in Novello’s Part-Song Book (Second Series).

The song has not been collected from oral tradition, but there were broadside printings – the Roud Index lists one broadside in the Bodleian Library collection, and one published by the Poet’s Box, Glasgow. The latter is dated 9th May 1875.

Via the Internet Archive you can hear the song being sung on a 78rpm record by Robert Howe, on the Parlophone label.

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